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Stereotype of the Month Entry
(5/6/02)


Another response to the Stereotype of the Month entry on the Orthodox Wannabe League:

Dear participants of discussion on the Blue Corn Comics site! My name's Serguei, I live in Russia, in St.-Petersburg. About 30 years I seriously study the history, culture, spiritual heritage and outlook of the Indians of Northern America, in particular the Ojibwa tribe (Anishinabek). I was not limited to the theoretical study, I travelled much to wild northern woods, fished, hunted, made a canoe from birch bark, have sewn some teepees. I in practice applied the Native methods of survival in the wilderness. I have spiritual instructors from Anishinabek and they teach me traditional knowledge. They are wise and kind people. Some could arrive here, to Russia, and could teach the knowledge practically. On the Blue Corn Comics site I have found out the discussion of the information about the Russian group OWL, and read responses of the radical Native Americans about OWL. I was struck with that quantity of nonsense, hatred and lack of knowledge which these Indians displayed there. I am not in the OWL (I am not a christian) and also disagree with some their postulates, but why such intolerance?Natasha Renkova, who, too, has expressed her opinion regarding this problem, has received letters, filled with hatred. I communicated with traditional Indians many times . How strongly they differ from the respondents of the Blue Corn Comics! Proceeding from the knowledge and experience of interaction with traditional Natives, I want to address to the Native Americans that wrote on the site of the Blue Corn Comics:

- You are those Indians who are called "apples" (red outside, and white inside). I shall explain why.

- You try to forget the past of your people and to succeed in " The world of the white man ", at the same time using money from programs for racial minorities.

- Many of you are not able to put a teepee, not mentioning to live in it, especially in winter conditions. You put teepees on powwow only for show, and live in hotels and trailers.

- You dress on commercial powwows in clothes, in which you look more like clowns than Indians. Take the books on ethnography and go to a museum, and look how do the traditional Native clothes look.

- The majority of you do not know your own language and are christians.

- You, if you get to the forest, will lose your way in the first three trees, moreover, I am sure, that you lose your way even on a bed of radishes. How many from you can kindle a fire?

- You have forgotten, what is to hunt for a bear or deer, the largest your game is a mouse in a mousetrap.

- You hesitate to dress in traditional clothes, when you sing at the Drum. Or do you think, that all past centuries Indians sang at the Drum in jeans and hats?

- You fierily protect your traditions, though a long time ago you have forgotten them and what you have left from all Indian trappings is only your skin.

My friend in Bulgaria, which is interested in the Cheyennes, has said: "And by the way, what is a wannabe? It is a concept, which FOOLS among Indians (there, as well as everywhere in the world, their tribe is numerous), made up in order to rise in their own eyes. The wise, knowing people, elders,etc. do not use such words. It is a fact. And fools from AIM- it's not necessary even to talk about them. Great warriors -- what nonsense!" Excuse me, if I was too offensive. But bitter truth is better, than sweet lie …

With the best regards,
Serguei.

Rob's reply
Serguei,

>> I have spiritual instructors from Anishinabek and they teach me traditional knowledge. They are wise and kind people. <<

That's nice. Why don't you tell us what they say about the Wannabe League? Give us their names and quote them, if possible.

>> On the Blue Corn Comics site I have found out the discussion of the information about the Russian group OWL, and read responses of the radical Native Americans about OWL. <<

No, you read the responses of two Native Americans whom you know little or nothing about. You don't know whether they're "traditional" or "progressive," whether they speak their Native languages, whether they're Christians, whether they attend powwows, whether they're members of AIM, etc. You've assumed all these things.

It's a lousy debate tactic and I'll try to show you why. Meanwhile, you've missed the main point. It's my posting, I wrote most of the comments, and I'm not an Indian. When will you wannabes respond to my points rather than raise irrelevant side issues?

>> I was struck with that quantity of nonsense, hatred and lack of knowledge which these Indians displayed there. <<

Apparently you were struck dumb, because you didn't give us one example of either "nonsense" or a "lack of knowledge." I suspect you didn't dispute our arguments because you can't.

>> I am not in the OWL (I am not a christian) and also disagree with some their postulates, but why such intolerance? <<

"I don't think anyone has challenged your right to live the way you want. Likewise, I have the right to live the way I want. That includes pointing out Native stereotypes."

>> Natasha Renkova, who, too, has expressed her opinion regarding this problem, has received letters, filled with hatred. <<

"I think it's humorous that Renkova thinks our criticism is humorous. She's the one going out of her way to complain to the Confederate sympathizers and to me. You don't see me contacting the Wannabe League and haranguing their members. Unlike Renkova, I'm content if the wannabes do their thing while I do mine."

>> I communicated with traditional Indians many times. How strongly they differ from the respondents of the Blue Corn Comics! <<

Uh-huh, sure they did. Go ahead and prove it if you can. Name names and quote quotes, and we'll see what your "traditional Indians" say about your wannabe games.

>> Proceeding from the knowledge and experience of interaction with traditional Natives, I want to address to the Native Americans that wrote on the site of the Blue Corn Comics <<

Again, why don't you address me instead? I can only conclude you're too obtuse to understand my arguments or too afraid to tackle them. Or both.

White man Rob...an apple?
>> You are those Indians who are called "apples" (red outside, and white inside). I shall explain why. <<

You'll try to explain, you mean. And you'll do a crummy job of it.

>> You try to forget the past of your people and to succeed in " The world of the white man ", at the same time using money from programs for racial minorities. <<

You have no idea whether Ghost Dancer or Wikenala have forgotten their people's past. You have no idea whether they "use money from programs for racial minorities." You're inventing insults that have no basis in the text. Very imaginative, but who cares? When are you going to debate the issues we've raised?

FYI, few if any US government programs are based on race these days. If you're referring to the benefits Indians receive, those are treaty obligations and they're based on the sovereign status of Indian nations, not the racial makeup of these nations. For more information, see The Essential Facts About Indians Today, which you may or may not know.

>> Many of you are not able to put a teepee, not mentioning to live in it, especially in winter conditions. <<

Perhaps their ancestors didn't live in tipis. Perhaps they lived in longhouses or pueblos or igloos. But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

>> You put teepees on powwow only for show, and live in hotels and trailers. <<

That's because Indians live in hotels and trailers these days, along with houses and apartments. But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

>> Take the books on ethnography and go to a museum, and look how do the traditional Native clothes look. <<

Why should we when Indians are modern people who wear modern clothes? But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

>> The majority of you do not know your own language and are christians. <<

"The majority" of the two Native respondents? I guess that means both of them. Unfortunately for your response, nothing in the text says whether they know their Native languages or are Christians. Nor are these points relevant.

>> You, if you get to the forest, will lose your way in the first three trees, moreover, I am sure, that you lose your way even on a bed of radishes. <<

Maybe their ancestors didn't live in a forest. Maybe they lived in the desert or on the coast or in a swamp or on the tundra. But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

>> How many from you can kindle a fire? <<

What percent of pre-contact Indians could kindle a fire? Give us a figure and then we'll have a baseline to work with.

I'm guessing 100% of Indians can kindle a fire with a match or a lighter today. They use the tools at hand just like their ancestors did. So what's your point?

But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

Indians = bear hunters?
>> You have forgotten, what is to hunt for a bear or deer, the largest your game is a mouse in a mousetrap. <<

Maybe their ancestors didn't hunt bear or deer. Maybe they hunted rabbits or fish or turkeys or seals. Maybe they were gatherers or farmers and barely hunted at all. But I forget: Your Wannabe League stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains.

>> You hesitate to dress in traditional clothes, when you sing at the Drum. <<

Ghost Dancer and Wikenala didn't say anything about what they wear—not to mention what they wear at powwows. And women generally don't drum at powwows, although there are exceptions.

By the way, the powwow is a 20th-century invention. It isn't a "tradition" practiced by the Ojibwa or anyone else before the 20th century. I guess your elders forgot to tell you that, and you missed it in your "30 years" of study.

>> You fierily protect your traditions, though a long time ago you have forgotten them and what you have left from all Indian trappings is only your skin. <<

My skin is white. I remember the traditions of my white parents and grandparents pretty well, thanks. When you're ready to stop insulting modern Indians and start addressing the stereotypes on the Wannabe site, let us know, okay?

>> The wise, knowing people, elders,etc. do not use such words. <<

It took me about 10 seconds to find the following posting via Google:

Article on the "Lakota Declaration of War"

By Valerie Taliman

Copyright © 1993 Taliman

While Native Nations continue the flight for religious freedom rights, "New Age" hucksters and other exploiters of Indian spirituality run rampant throughout the country, forcing Native people to take a stand against the desecration of their spiritual ways.

As more people turn away from conventional religions and seek spiritual solace in alternative beliefs such as the New Age movement, increasing numbers of Euroamericans "wannabe" Indians when it comes to spirituality. But in their quest to learn and practice Indian ways, non-Indians have often abused sacred ceremonies and ceremonial objects suck as pipes and medicine bundles. And that abuse of the sacred, say many medicine people, is causing turmoil in Native societies prompting some spiritual leaders to speak out against further desecration of ceremonial ways.

At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of US and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations, about 500 representatives from 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a "Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality." The summit was held June 7 to 11, 1993.

The Declaration of War is intended for those who "persist in exploiting, abusing and misrepresenting the sacred traditions and spiritual practices of the Lakota people." The declaration denounces individuals involved in the New Age movement, shamanism, cultists, neopaganists and the men's movement who promote "intolerable and obscene imitations of sacred Lakota rites."

"For too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian wannabes, hucksters, cultists, and self-styled New Age shamans and their followers," the Declaration of War reads.

"The absurd public posturing of this scandalous assortment of pseudo-Indian charlatans, wannabes, commercial profiteers and cultists comprise a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional Lakota people for adequate public appraisal of the legitimate political, legal and spiritual needs of real Lakota people."

Wilmer Mesteth, a traditional spiritual leader and Lakota culture instructor at Oglala Lakota College, told the summit participants that he was aware that sacred ceremonies were being imitated and even sold by non-Indians as well as certain Indian people.

"We have to put a stop to it," Mesteth said. "We are the ones who were given these ceremonies so that the people would remain together and strong. We were told to take care of these ceremonies so that our children and their children would have future.

"For a long time we have stood by and watched this abuse going on and we see how it is affecting the people. Nut now its time to take a stand to defend our people and our ways."

Mesteth, along with Darrell Standing Elk and Phyllis Swift Hawk, was one of the principal authors of the Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality, which urges Lakota people to prevent "our own people from contributing to and enabling the abuse of our sacred ceremonies by outsiders and certain ones among our people who are prostituting our spiritual ways for their own selfish gain, with no regard for the spiritual well being of the people as a whole."

It also urges people to identify instances where sacred tradition are being abused and to work toward stopping the abuse through demonstrations, boycotts, press coverage and direct intervention.

With many other spiritual leaders present and in support of the document, Mesteth told the crowd, "Sacred traditions like our Lakota Pipe ceremony, vision quests, sweatlodge ceremonies and the sundance were given to us by our Creator and have enabled Indian people to survive a 500 year holocaust," he said. "Those sacred tradition are precious to us and can't allow them to be desecrated and abused."

One hot spot that has attracted the ire of Lakota spiritual leaders is California's Bay Area, where street vendors on Telegraph Avenue routinely sell drug paraphernalia made from sacred pipestone.

New Agers in the elite section of San Francisco hold their weekly "sweat ceremonies" with rocks heated in propane barbecue pits and living room fireplaces. Many charge admission for imitation sweat lodge ceremonies, vision quests and puberty ceremonies for young women that are performed by self proclaimed "shamans."

Lakota songs and prayers are often used as are rituals from many other tribes and mixed with non-Indian occult practices. Many medicine people say that these groups are creating a hodgepodge of harmful and offensive imitation ceremonies that exploit and abuse spiritual traditions of the Lakota and other tribes.

To meet the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge, Bay Area universities and institutions have responded to the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge by offering classes that purport to teach the particulars of vision quests, sundances, shamanism and the "Good Red Road" way of life.

As the epidemic of exploitation and expropriation of Indian spirituality continues to spread, more Native people are taking direct action to put a stop to the "spiritual genocide" being committed by those who imitate Lakota ceremonies.

John LaVelle, a Santee Dakota living in the Bay Area, recently was shoved and pushed into the street for confronting a Berkeley street vendor who regularly sells pipestone carved into marijuana pipes. Police responded to the scuffle and assault charges were subsequently filed against the vendors.

LaVelle's actions are part of the ongoing efforts of the center for the SPIRIT (Support and Protection of Indian Religions and Indigenous Traditions), a San Francisco-based organization of Indian people committed to halting the exploitation of Native ceremonies. The Center in dedicated to protecting Indian spiritual practices and traditions and is working to raise public awareness on American Indian religious freedom issues.

Darrell Standing Elk, a Sicangu Lakota and long-time traditional Lakota counselor who serves as board president of the Center, said the situation in the Bay Area reached a point where he and other Native people felt that something had to be done.

The Center for the Spirit has made a practice of confronting and refuting books, literature and seminars promoted by self-proclaimed "medicine people" such as Lynn Andrews, a Beverly Hills housewife-turned-shaman. Andrews has written several best-sellers on her journey to becoming a "medicine woman" under the tutelage of a Canadian Indian elder and conducts expensive, and very popular, seminars on shamanism.

At this year's Whole Life Expo, a conference of "New Age thought" held in Los Angeles in March, Center staff and members of the local American Indian Movement confronted Andrews and tried to convince her to admit that what she was writing about was fantasy, not Indian spirituality. Andrews is reportedly considering the proposal but has not officially responded as she is negotiating a movie deal, according to Patti Jo King, a publicist for the Center.

As Native Nations lobby Congress and work toward strengthening the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act (NAFER), Standing Elk noted that it is imperative that supporters address the exploitation of Indian spirituality. "We are in danger of having our sacred spiritual ways stolen from us -- the key to our survival," he said. "We must raise a united voice of protest against those who steal our spiritual traditions and tell them 'You cannot have them, not today, not tomorrow, NEVER.'"

Which would you call yourself: wannabe, cultish, New Age shaman, pseudo-Indian charlatan, huckster, or commercial profiteer?

Apparently whole tribes of Lakota, including their elders, have denounced wannabes like you. In doing so, they've used the term "wannabe" explicitly. Oops.

In case you missed the quote, here it is again:

"For too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian wannabes, hucksters, cultists, and self-styled New Age shamans and their followers," the Declaration of War reads.

"Non-Indian wannabes"...that's you.

"Fools from AIM"...huh?
>> And fools from AIM- it's not necessary even to talk about them. Great warriors -- what nonsense!" <<

Then let's not talk about them, since no one in this conversation has claimed to be a member of AIM. This is a good example of a straw-man argument, if you know what that means. You've invented a claim so you could knock it down.

>> Excuse me, if I was too offensive. <<

No problem. You didn't insult me. <g> You merely wasted my time by attacking modern Indians, an attack that's irrelevant to this posting. I'm not an Indian at all, yet I say the Wannabe League site stereotypes Indians.

You may have insulted Ghost Dancer and Wikenala by making up theories about their beliefs, though you have little evidence for them. I'm sure they and other Indians will defend themselves just fine.

>> But bitter truth is better, than sweet lie <<

The bitter truth is that the Wannabe League site stereotypes Indians as living in the bucolic past of the northern Plains. I said why and you haven't touched a single one of my arguments. You lose this debate badly, friend. Sorry if the bitter truth hurts, but better my dismissing your wannabe dreams than a "sweet lie."

Rob

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